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NCIS - Yet more speculation
Okay, so I admit I'm bordering on obsession over this, and normally I avoid spoilers like the plague. However since the 'news' broke last week, I keep digging on the vague off-chance that someone will know the truth. In doing so, and also thanks to meredith44 I dug up some more information that had my mind going into yet more areas.

Behind the cut are spoilers for the rest of Season Five.

So assuming that the NCIS PTB didn't just screw up and they do know there medical facts (thanks to meredith44 for all the information pertaining to this), and/or they don't think that Ducky and/or Abby are stupid, then . . . the blood almost certainly cannot be Jenny's. Why? Because according to one of the links Meredith very kindly provided me with, 'the results for a CBC vary based on whether it is a female or a male'.

Thus Ducky 'sticking his neck out for Jenny, isn't 'for Jenny' insofar as it's her tests (well blood at least), but 'for Jenny' insofar as she's asked him to run tests on her behalf.

Let us assume the writers haven't screwed up (and to be honest with their previous records at times I'm practically 50:50 on that) and they don't believe either, or both, Ducky and Abby are stupid then the blood is from a man. What man could it be?

1. Jenny's father (toomuchfandom must muted this idea on one of my previous speculations, going on to say that Jenny is looking after her sick Father and not really out of the country at all, as Ducky vanished at least once when Abby gave him the blood test results). Okay, this is possible, La Grenouille is adamant he didn't kill her father but that he took a bribe from him. Jenny is adamant her father is dead and the military information supports this (it says suicide), but we also have Colonel-General Dimitri Borov who swears her father visited him.

2. A man purporting to be Jenny's father. Because of the above, Jenny wants to be sure; she knew her father was suffering from some disease there are several illnesses/diseases elevated CPK levels can show.

3. Jenny's son. And ::gulp:: Gibbs is the father. My reasons for this idea come mainly from SpoilerFix.com's comments pertaining to the final double episode: 'We've had flashbacks to a relationship that Jenny and Gibbs had in Paris while they were working undercover,"'says executive producer Shane Brennan. 'Now the secret past will come back to haunt them, leading to an emotionally devastating two-hour season finale'.

Okay, so what happened in Paris?

a. Jenny killed a man (deliberately or accidentally?) That is something that has never been resolved and it could still tie with with La Grenouille in some way.

b. Gibbs was arrested and Jenny stood across the street watching and smiling in a self-satisfied way. Again, this was another thing that was unresolved.

c. Gibbs and Jenny spent a considerable time in bed. Now this had never sat well with me, and not because I'm a Gibbs/Ducky shipper (it's never sat well with J or my parents of other non-shipping friends/contacts), but because it is SO OOC for Gibbs. For him to screw around whilst on a case, has never been believable to me. Unless, of course the undercover operation involved them being a couple so all the bedroom scenes and flirting, etc. etc. was an act. Act or not, Jenny could have got pregnant, even assuming (which I am) that one or both of them took precautions, unless one or both of them had been sterilised (and we know there are even cases there of it somehow going wrong) pregnancy could have resulted.

So it did. Jenny had a son, but didn't want Gibbs in anyway involved. At least one of the things for which the CPK test is carried out is for something that most commonly occurs in children age 5 to 15 and adults age 40 - 60.

I sincerely hope that, assuming TPTB haven't screwed up, etc. the male being tested is most definitely NOT (c), but (a) or (b). The first two would make a lot more sense to be honest, because of the whole 'is he alive/isn't he'; now whether it is her father or not, I have no idea.

OTOH, I can see Ducky being more prepared to go out on a limb if a child is concerned rather than an adult.

But then again (I argue with myself *g*) he was concerned by Jenny's state of mind and her obsession with La Grenouille, not just for her but for the effect it was having on the team in general, the risk she was putting team members under. Thus, if she came to him with the whole thing about 'a man who claims to be my father', actually I could see him being prepared to help her, for the state of her mind/the rest of the team.

I know several people have expressed surprise that Ducky would go out on a limb for Jenny. I myself have always got the impression that Ducky wasn't overly fond of Jenny, his manner with her seemed more reserved and slightly aloof compared to how he was with the rest of the team. I know she's now Director, but they worked with one another when she was just one of Gibbs's field agents. But if he helped her with this and maybe helped her get to the bottom or her obsession, then it would benefit the rest of the team.

OTOH (how many do I have?) the 'We've had flashbacks to a relationship that Jenny and Gibbs had in Paris while they were working undercover. Now the secret past will come back to haunt them, leading to an emotionally devastating two-hour season finale', does rather worryingly maybe point to a child, because it specifically mentions the 'relationship' and 'the secret past coming back to haunt them'.

Unless, as I've written in more than one story, Gibbs knew Jenny killed the man deliberately (as to why, who knows, again I've written it a couple of ways) and covered for her because of their affair.

So yes, I want the blood to be her father/a man purporting to be her father but . . . I am now having this sinking feeling it's going to be a son. And if so, then it will be Jenny leaving and Gibbs is left 'holding the baby' so to speak.

One final glimmer of hope is what I said to aingeal8c yesterday, Jenny already knew she was pregnant, maybe the father was dead (heck maybe the father was La Grenouille or the man she killed) and so kept sleeping with Gibbs so she could, if she ever needed to, pass the child off as his. (Okay, that's more wishful thinking than anything, I guess. I don't think Jenny is that conniving).


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rayshell22 From: rayshell22 Date: 13th April 2008 08:55 (UTC) (Link)
I hope everything goes alright, but if not, then we at least have the soothing comfort of fanfic. By the way, I would like you to read my March 25 2008 post and respond to it, I think you'll find it a very interesting post.
nakeisha From: nakeisha Date: 13th April 2008 14:13 (UTC) (Link)

I seem to spend a lot of time 'fixing' canon in this show. Oh, for it to become closed canon.

I haven't forgotten. It's just that apart from spending time deliberating about this, I'm working on a long and getting longer by the minute story that's due for a ficathon - due soon. Once I've put that to bed, I can concentrate more. But rest assured it's still there to be done.
toomuchfandom From: toomuchfandom Date: 13th April 2008 08:59 (UTC) (Link)
... Jenny was the one who made sure Gibbs and Ducky could return after escaping France... they were ALL THERE. (Can't remember which episode it was...)

And I don't like the idea of a small Gibblet spawned from Jenny...
nakeisha From: nakeisha Date: 13th April 2008 14:08 (UTC) (Link)
We don't know for certain it was the same time. We didn't see Ducky in any of the flashbacks - not that he would be in the bedroom. It could have been another time. Unlikely, but it could have been. And it came up in 'Smoked'.

Nor do I :-(
aingeal8c From: aingeal8c Date: 13th April 2008 10:13 (UTC) (Link)
I'm still hoping it's her father. I think the father would make most sense given what we've already had. We don't know if he is alive or dead.

Or a lover she had in Paris.

I agree I can't see Gibbs on a mission choosing to have lots of sex. It just doesn't it in right. And in flashbacks we only saw then do the deed once, it just got replayed a lot. Alrhough I know pregnancy-wise one is all it takes but still.

There are lots of other unanswered questions about Paris, the arrest being just one of them. So it might not be the sex part of the relationship *hopes*.

And we still don't have resolution on the Frog either. And he;s French, maybe he was involved in Paris?

I hope they don't go down the kid route because that is so cliched and wouod merely seem to be dumped in there for the sake of angsting out Gibbs again.

I do wonder if the writers have done their homework. They have screwed things up before now as we well know.

I just hope that we don't end up with the kid line. Though Jenny leaving still makes sense.
nakeisha From: nakeisha Date: 13th April 2008 14:12 (UTC) (Link)
*Nods* I hope it's her father too - and it would make sense. I can rationalise it well :-)

Exactly! It's just 'not Gibbs'. So maybe it was part of their operation. Hmm, was it the one scene? I admit I tuned out whenever I saw it, so . . .

Oh, yes! There certainly are a lot of unanswered questions *sigh* I hope not. I really do.

Well yes, I did think of that. Tied in with the man she shot?

I know. I know. It would just be unbelievable and unbearable.

You know, I actually hope they've screwed up and got it wrong.

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nakeisha From: nakeisha Date: 13th April 2008 14:17 (UTC) (Link)
Neither do I *sigh*

I really hope I'm wrong. I really, really hope TPTB have just screwed up their research or it's a rare occasion (there always seems to be one in everything) where the levels are hinky and it is a women.

I think I'll be up there with you, hon. Thank you, hon. I'm glad you even managed to follow, let alone agree with, my ramblings ;-)

I don't know. We should write for them.

I'd love to, hon. But I have to finish this still growing story as it's due too soon for my liking and I still have to get the darn thing edited, etc.

Rain-check until later in the week, please.

*Hugs you*

Runs off to get Gibbs and McGee out of the lift :-)
curly_the_sue From: curly_the_sue Date: 13th April 2008 14:52 (UTC) (Link)
Wow, these are disturbing but yet plausibel ideas. But I really hope that the writers didn't loose their last pieces of sanity and don't bring up a child. Please, please, pretty please!
Your specualtion 1) seems the most plausibel (and least horrible) version for me.
nakeisha From: nakeisha Date: 13th April 2008 16:11 (UTC) (Link)
They were disturbing when I thought of them - so I thought I'd 'share' it *evil me*

*Sigh* Me too. Surely that would be a step too far for them?

I like 1 or 2, I must say. I like 1 or 2 very much indeed!!!
plutos_revenge From: plutos_revenge Date: 13th April 2008 16:01 (UTC) (Link)
If it *is* a child then the person-shaped hole in the wall will be me, running screaming from the room.

Just *no*.

Apart from anything, I don't believe Ducky would knowingly keep knowledge of the child from Gibbs. Especially given how upset he was with Gibbs for keeping secrets. And even if Jen hadn't told him the kid was Gibbs', surely he could work it out...

For the love of all that is holy, will someone *please* spoil us properly!
nakeisha From: nakeisha Date: 13th April 2008 16:16 (UTC) (Link)
I think you'd better make that 'people shaped holes'.

Indeed. My mind goes off into places I'd rather it didn't go at times.

That's a good point. Except I could see him doing it when he didn't know what was wrong with the child. And we don't know what he was going to say to Gibbs when the credits rolled. As close as he and Gibbs are, he's a doctor. And if Jenny went to him as a doctor . . . I could really see how torn he'd be. Or maybe he's not going to say anything until he knows whether it could be Gibbs's. Now he wouldn't tell Gibbs if he didn't know whether it could be; and a blood test can show if someone might be the father . . . *Bangs head hard on laptop*

Were it not for the 'events in Paris relating to their relationship comes back to haunt them' I wouldn't have thought of a child at all - but when I read that . . . I'm just hoping that is tied in with the man Jenny shot and Gibbs 'covered' for her because he was screwing her. But we're back to the 'that was so not Gibbs'.

I know. I know. Someone knows. Why can't they just tell us!
honeybearbee From: honeybearbee Date: 13th April 2008 18:20 (UTC) (Link)
@_@ It's all so confusing. Do you really think TBTB are that smart?
nakeisha From: nakeisha Date: 14th April 2008 12:48 (UTC) (Link)
50:50 - it really is.

But what's worrying me more than anything else is the 'Paris comes back to haunt them'.
ashley_pitt From: ashley_pitt Date: 13th April 2008 20:38 (UTC) (Link)

I have harbored a thought for awhile that Jenn had an affair with LG.

And I agree that Ducky would stick his neck out for Jenn, if it did involve a child, and/or it involved helping Gibbs somehow.

And I have a feeling that Ducky is going to prove quite pivotal in the whole scheme of things.
(ok--hoping...more Ducky on screen is always good)
nakeisha From: nakeisha Date: 14th April 2008 12:48 (UTC) (Link)
I've had that thought too.

I hoped you'd agree with that - it kind of gets us around our 'personal canon'.

I hope so. I really do.

But a kid . . . NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
birggitt From: birggitt Date: 13th April 2008 21:58 (UTC) (Link)
You know what? I stop trying to guess speculate based on spoilers after Star Trek II - Wrath of Khan.
The fact that someone died was knew before the movie. Someone from 1º line. Kirk? Spock? McCoy?
We, trekkers, went wild. Then, the day come, we sit at Cinema and, in the very first scene EVERYBODY dies: Spok, McCoy, Zulu, Uhura, Scotty... Every. Single. One.
Of course, they weren't dead, it was all a simulation in behalf of new cadets.
Yeah, you can imagine: collective relieved sigh, and angry spork at those who had us in fear for our beloved characters.
And the, at the end of the movie... Spock die!
So, now I refuse to think about spoilers. Is just very tiring and, at least in my case, I get fed up, and then angry, and then anxious, and then angry again... I think you get the picture.
So I'm gonna go like always, whistling and hands in pocket, thinking about Gibbs and Ducky together.
Che será, será...
nakeisha From: nakeisha Date: 14th April 2008 12:50 (UTC) (Link)
Believe me I don't want to :-(

And normally I avoid spoilers like the plague but . . .

Now I know this much I can't help it. My mind keeps going into places I'd far rather it didn't go *sigh*

I just want to know - now!!!!! *Stamps foot*

*Thinks thoughts of Gibbs and Ducky*
angels21k From: angels21k Date: 14th April 2008 10:19 (UTC) (Link)
I am so mixed up. Is someone therefore leaving the series? I really am selfish and want all players to stay. (I'll be honest here - especially not Mr W.) Can't be MH - been there done that and came back.

It has confused me by saying mega lead. Is Jenny classed as one?


A - walks into the distance chuntering to self.
nakeisha From: nakeisha Date: 14th April 2008 12:55 (UTC) (Link)
Yes, someone is meant to be leaving at the end of S5. I say 'meant' as it hasn't been confirmed the the NCIS/fan liaison person, but I have heard it from more than one source.

According to Ausiello Scoop:

There's another shake-up brewing over at NCIS, only this time it's happening on screen.

CBS and Paramount declined comment, but sources confirm to me exclusively that a major castmember — a series regular — is on the way out. And as tempted as I am to blab this person's identity, after much soul searching, I've decided that doing so would prove WTS (Way Too Spoilery). And here's why: The actor in question will exit the series in a dramatic fashion. I might even go so far as to call it a major freakin' twist, the repercussions of which will be felt well into next season and, perhaps, beyond.

One thing I feel reasonably comfortable letting you know is that the aforementioned twist does, in fact, occur this season — i.e., sometime between tomorrow night's post-strike return and the season finale in May.

The top two 'bets' seem to be Jenny or DiNozzo - mainly because they (Gibbs aside) are the two characters about whom twists, etc. can be thought.

First speculations

Second speculations

Jenny appears in the intro, so yes, I believe she is classed as a 'main character'.
From: gibozzo Date: 14th April 2008 13:05 (UTC) (Link)
It has to be her father's blood. **crosses fingers**

As much as I hate Jenny, I don't believe that she would keep a child a secret from everybody, especially the father. To make it to the top of NCIS one would have to presume that she was working the entire time. No room for a child.
If this is what the NCIS writers are planning then I will be extremely disappointed.

nakeisha From: nakeisha Date: 14th April 2008 13:22 (UTC) (Link)
Please, please, please let it be.

I don't know. I really don't.

At the time Gibbs was married and she would have known about his success (or lack of it) rate with women, so maybe she just didn't want to risk the child growing up with only an occasional father - better to have none.

Child could be at boarding school or something . . .

I hate to think about the possibilities, I really, really do. And had it not been for the whole 'Paris comes back to haunt them' in respect of the sex they had, I wouldn't be thinking it but . . .

So will I - for many reasons.

*Keeps EVERYTHING crossed*
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