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A letter to the new Producers of NCIS
Dear NCIS New Producers,

Now that DPB has left you/will have left you soon, do you think it would be possible to employ a consistency person? Someone who can actually keep the time-line, the things we are told in episodes actually consistent - both within episodes and between episodes? Please? Pretty please?

Warning: Rant ahead


Emily is NOT the child of Diane, she can't be.

And Diane is NOT the wife Gibbs and Fornell shared. Really, she isn't.

How do I know this?

Season Two, Episode Twenty Three- Twilight

Gibbs: Tell him he's about to make the second biggest mistake of his life.

Fornell: My second biggest mistake, Jethro? That's very dramatic. What was the first?

Gibbs: When you married my second wife.

Fornell: You could have warned me.

Gibbs: I did.

A little later:

Gibbs: What's the number?

Fornell: Are you sure about this?

Gibbs: As sure as when I told you she would clean out your Bank Account when she left.

Note: SECOND wife. Okay, so strictly speaking due to canon we later discover, second wife means that means that Tobias married the first EX-Mrs. Gibbs. However, given that Fornell (and us) didn't know about Shannon, let's assume that Gibbs meant 'second EX-wife'.

Season Four, Episode Two - Escaped

When Fornell and Gibbs are in Emily's bedroom, Fornell comments again about being married to Gibbs's second wife (again we'll assume, even though now Fornell knows about Shannon) that he meant second ex-wife. He's saying that had he listed to Gibbs he'd now have a spare room for Gibbs, he wouldn't have to sleep in Emily's room.

That's SECOND ex-wife.

Diane, as we learn in Kill Ari following a conversation between Jenn and Gibbs, was Gibbs's THIRD ex-wife. Not his second.

Fornell married Gibbs's second ex-wife. It was said second ex-wife who emptied their Bank Accounts.

Now in Angel Of Death we 'meet' Diane who apparently is not only is Emily's mother, but she was the ex-wife who emptied their Bank Accounts.

Let's just assume, for a second or two, that you'd forgotten the above fact, and it's another of your much-loved inconsistencies; there is another issue concerning Emily's age.

Ducky's says to Gibbs in The Curse (aired October 2003) that is was four years ago since your third ex-wife hit you with the baseball bat (we later learn her name was Diane). So we assume that was the 'beginning of the end', so to speak; thus Gibbs and Diane divorced in early 2004. Even assuming that Fornell took up with Diane before the divorce was final (i.e. in late 2003), it takes nine months to have a baby; that takes us to mid-late 2004. Or, as is more likely, they were divorced before she became pregnant, we are getting into late 2004/early 2005, maybe . . . Er, Emily is more than three years old, she is about seven/eight. (The actress is nine and-a-half, which I know isn't anything to go on, but . . .)

The only other possibility to make Emily older than she can be going by the above, is that when Diane hit Gibbs she and Gibbs were already divorced. However, that still contradicts the second wife thing, and then we get into the muddy waters of Ducky and Gibbs apparently only having known one another for ten years (Hiatus), now eleven, and that Ducky knew all three of the ex-Mrs. Gibbs, indeed he introduced Gibbs to Diane.

It does NOT add up.

Emily CANNOT be Diane's daughter.

And going by your previous canon Diane CANNOT be the ex-wife Fornell married.

Actually, going by Emily's age, she'd be hard pushed to be Gibbs's second ex-wife's daughter, but let's not get too complicated. That's more speculative and up in the air, the above isn't.

Unless . . . Unless . . . (she says being kind to you) this is Gibbs's secret. He doesn't have three ex-wives; he's been lying all this time. Oh, wait, that means that Ducky, Fornell and Jenny have all been lying too.

The other 'unless' is that not only did Gibbs keep marrying red-heads, but that he married women all called 'Diane'. Thus the Diane we saw in Angel Of Death was actually ex-wife number two, or even ex-wife number one and she was called Diane as well.

Oh, yes. Now I really believe that.

The only way that 'Diane' could be Emily's mom and 'Diane' is the wife Gibbs and Fornell shared, is if the first ex-Mrs. Gibbs was also called Diane. Now that would fit with Emily's age and the comments about 'second wife'. Because the first ex-Mrs. Gibbs is Gibbs second wife. Okay, that works. The only thing it doesn't work with is the comment in Twilight, as one would assume that Fornell would have picked up on 'second' and said 'don't you mean first'. Mind you, this is the same Fornell whom Gibbs didn't know in Yankee White and who didn't know Gibbs!!!

But yes, that one tiny thing aside, that would fit with your own canon.

Emily Fornell is the daughter of Gibbs's first ex-wife, whom Fornell married, and she, like the third ex-Mrs. Gibbs, is also called 'Diane'.

But why do I not believe that's what you mean?

Let's be honest, you've just, yet again, been inconsistent!!!! *Sigh*

Please, Producers; we can keep your canon straight, why can't you?

No love ~


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lonelywalker From: lonelywalker Date: 23rd May 2007 16:20 (UTC) (Link)
Nikki, these guys couldn't keep room numbers straight in one single episode. All this stuff about Gibbs' ex-wives is obviously far, far beyond them.

I suspect the trouble is that no one is clear on whether Gibbs has had 3 wives, total, or 4.

Maybe next season they can just retcon it all, say he's had no wives, it was all a figment of our imaginations, and in fact he's been living a quiet monogamous life with Ducky for 20 years.

*dusts hands off*

nakeisha From: nakeisha Date: 23rd May 2007 16:24 (UTC) (Link)
I know *sigh* I ranted about that at the time, hence my dig about within eps too.

But we can manage to keep it straight *sigh* It just drives me mad.

He had four (until next season when it'll be five or none). Three ex and Shannon - probably :-)) Or not.

Ooh, I do like the way you have sorted it. I like it a lot. Thank you. We'll go with that then.
lonelywalker From: lonelywalker Date: 23rd May 2007 17:10 (UTC) (Link)
I would infinitely prefer it if the entire thing were an elaborate rouse devised by Gibbs and Ducky (and, I suppose, Jenn) to disguise the fact that Gibbs and Ducky were in a gay relationship.

It would certainly explain the inconsistencies, and, indeed, the consistencies. I can imagine Ducky spinning out elaborate background stories for all 3 wives, and Gibbs being all, "...my head hurts. Can't we just say they were all redheads called Diane who hit me with things???"

At least Ducky doesn't have any ex-wives. Yet. I'm sure they'll be messing up his backstory shortly.
nakeisha From: nakeisha Date: 23rd May 2007 17:16 (UTC) (Link)
*Giggles and applauds madly*

Oh, I do love the way your mind works. Hey, you could send a script to the new PTB :-)

I think Tobias would have to be in the know too really, with him marrying an 'ex-wife'.

I can imagine Ducky spinning out elaborate background stories for all 3 wives, and Gibbs being all, "...my head hurts. Can't we just say they were all redheads called Diane who hit me with things???"

Oh, yes! This is perfect. I love it. You should write it! I can hear and see it so clearly. Wonderful stuff.

At least Ducky doesn't have any ex-wives. Yet. I'm sure they'll be messing up his backstory shortly.

*Stops laughing and sighs* Yes, sadly I fear you are correct.
aingeal8c From: aingeal8c Date: 23rd May 2007 17:13 (UTC) (Link)
Whoeever keeps track of NCIS continuity needs to be fired. DO they not keep notes abotu these things? Unofficial character biogs perhaps? Or are we the only people that think this is a good idea? I mean...geez. It wouldn't be that hard to have a canon bible where pertinent facts were written down for reference.
nakeisha From: nakeisha Date: 23rd May 2007 17:17 (UTC) (Link)
Hey, you're back!

Did it all go well?

And yes, you are right. You are so very, very right.


aingeal8c From: aingeal8c Date: 23rd May 2007 18:13 (UTC) (Link)
I am back (literally just). It was a fun day, very good training indeed, enjoyable and useful but the trains were a nightmare (see rant in my LJ). The one to Manchester was late so I missed the connection to Preston (fortunately my collegue waited for me so we could go together) so we were late getting there then we were delayed again on the way home and had to switch trains.

And thank you. I think they should give you the job.
nakeisha From: nakeisha Date: 24th May 2007 13:09 (UTC) (Link)
I'm glad it was a fun day, even if the trains were a nightmare. Poor you. Nice that your colleague waited for you; very nice indeed.

Why thank you so much ;-)
aingeal8c From: aingeal8c Date: 24th May 2007 15:02 (UTC) (Link)
I have no faith in our public transport network. *g*. And it was very nice of her I really apppreciated it.

You're welcome.
nakeisha From: nakeisha Date: 24th May 2007 15:05 (UTC) (Link)
I don't think anyone does.
aingeal8c From: aingeal8c Date: 24th May 2007 15:13 (UTC) (Link)
I've never met nayone who has.
nakeisha From: nakeisha Date: 24th May 2007 15:35 (UTC) (Link)
Nor have I!
aingeal8c From: aingeal8c Date: 23rd May 2007 17:14 (UTC) (Link)
And now: GIP.
nakeisha From: nakeisha Date: 23rd May 2007 17:18 (UTC) (Link)

Good use.
bjjones From: bjjones Date: 23rd May 2007 19:47 (UTC) (Link)
Producers don't believe in continuety...

I could have a huge rant on Miami... but well that's just a waste of time and effort on my part.

Most of the time - they seem to make it up as they go along and forget to take notes.

*glares at producers* I admit Sylum started off as just wingin' in but over time I took notes and have notebook of information!! To keep things straigh is it so hard for you to do the same...

I have something like 700 characters

you have 8 cast members running around - and a handful of extras...

You do the math
nakeisha From: nakeisha Date: 24th May 2007 13:30 (UTC) (Link)
Well they should care, I think. And others do. DPB has a history of it.

It's one of those things that really, really irritates me.

And it's not just between eps and seasons, but within them too.

And in today's age of spreadsheets and all kinds of dinky things, it wouldn't be beyond the wit of man to have someone just to jot down these things. As you say we can do it - and your job is amazing.

To my mind there is no excuse for them to mess up as they do *sigh*
aurora_twilight From: aurora_twilight Date: 23rd May 2007 22:06 (UTC) (Link)
Oooh this is way I avoided this past season, minus the first couple episodes..I think I stopped watching after Gibbs and Ducky made up. It's annoying to set there and have things like that smack you in the face when you know it's messed up and wrong. Why is it so hard to have someone sit there and look at these things before they air?

Well, fingers crossed for the new season I suppose.
nakeisha From: nakeisha Date: 24th May 2007 13:32 (UTC) (Link)
*Nods in full agreement*

And in this season hey, they got it wrong within an episode!!!!

And we're not talking minor things here, we're talking major ones.

Let's not forget how Gibbs and Fornell didn't know one another in Yankee White, yet a few eps later were old friends.

Oh, yes, a new season, lots more opportunities for inconsistencies :-)
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